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Post by tiddles on Feb 11, 2012 15:49:33 GMT 1
from the Greenock Telegraphwww.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/greenock/articles/2012/02/11/423658-schools-roots-in-frame/Mrs Nicol said: "The mural will build up our identity and ethos at all the various stages to create a successful primary school and a vision for the future."PISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can they read and write and can the count?  www.fesfm.co.uk/Who? What? Why? How much does this cost us? The jigsaw was officially unveiled by Iain Mills, a quality improvement manager from the council's education department on Monday. What they hell does this character do and how much does he get a year? ?? And how the hell did the old Renfrewshire Education Committee manage to run all the schools in the county from a wee building in Paisley's Espedair Street WITHOUT people like Mr Mills and folk like him? ??
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Post by linda wallace on Feb 11, 2012 20:56:08 GMT 1
go back to the old ways of teaching first before doing anything else...as nice as it is and probably the kids enjoyed it education comes first
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Post by myfindhorn on Feb 12, 2012 20:05:17 GMT 1
when I was younger we went to school and after saying our good mornings we recited tha alphabet 5 times and then we did our times tables from the 2 times to the 12 times and then we had our we rhymns like 30 days hath september etc etc etc.
we were taught by repetition and it never failed any of us, we all left school reading and writing as for our morals.........we had the fables, great stories that made us think twice.....
Bring back the old days and give children a chance.
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Post by linda wallace on Feb 12, 2012 20:08:39 GMT 1
i agree horn....the education the kids are getting is poor......go back the way with education, stop messing with the exams and bring back o and a grades as it was much easier then
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Post by tiddles on Feb 12, 2012 23:01:32 GMT 1
When we put our eldest son into school we were shocked to discover that things had changed radically. The rows of desk all facing the teacher and the blackboard were replaced by little groups of tables rather like a wedding in the Tontine. The teacher would wander around like a little or in this case, a big fat bee umming and ahhing. Six months later we found that he didn't know what 2+2 was and his knowledge of the alphabet was to say the least, sketchy.
At Parents Night we asked if there was any reason why our heretofore intelligent son was not thriving educationally and we were very plainly told that he was doing very well and that, "times have changed since your day Doctor".
With a serious and painful haematoma on my thigh occasioned by my wife's deftly placed, restraining fingers we withdrew to Château Tiddles to discuss matters.
Perhaps times had changed and we were worrying unnecessarily but we had our doubts. Other parents seemed to have no concerns so we left it until Primary 2 when it became blatantly obvious that our Rosie O'Donnell look alike had not achieved the standards we had been led to expect. We had several discussions with the head teacher and the Primary 2 teacher and in the end, we realised that we were not getting anywhere. The haematomas were increasing exponentially.
I have never been a great advocate for private medicine or private education but in the end it boils down to choice, if you can afford it. We took the decision to take himself out of his school and we enrolled him in a private school. I am glad to say that within 6 months he had not only caught up but had gone on to excel. I have never regretted moving him to a private school but I regret having been forced to.
In case you wonder, No 1 son is not like me in temperament, he is quiet and more like his mother and is always keen to get down and do the job. I reckon he was failed by Strathclyde Regional Council's education service and I often wonder how his classmates faired with Rosie and her ilk.
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Post by linda wallace on Feb 13, 2012 0:34:17 GMT 1
i remember when our daughter was in primary 6 i think and the school was going to bring in phonetic spelling........whit the hell was that i asked and i was told well its like this...."instead of spelling telephone like this, they will learn to spell telefone like that" i couldn't believe what i was hearing.......so i asked "what happens when they go to secondary school about their spelling" i was told "well we will teach them how to spell the other way like, telefone will revert to telephone"...to say the least i was astounded.....the bloody thing didn't take of the ground thank god and our daughter went onto do her english and excelled in it...god know what would have happened if they went the opposite way.
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Post by samfregreenock on Feb 13, 2012 19:11:40 GMT 1
i remember when our daughter was in primary 6 i think and the school was going to bring in phonetic spelling........whit the hell was that i asked and i was told well its like this...."instead of spelling telephone like this, they will learn to spell telefone like that" i couldn't believe what i was hearing.......so i asked "what happens when they go to secondary school about their spelling" i was told "well we will teach them how to spell the other way like, telefone will revert to telephone"...to say the least i was astounded.....the bloody thing didn't take of the ground thank god and our daughter went onto do her english and excelled in it...god know what would have happened if they went the opposite way. Phonetics is just learning how to sound words out, rather than recognising letters and words - phonetics is the way it should be done When I entered primary school (Clune Park @1966) it was one of the schools chosen to participate in the ITA reading system en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_AlphabetMost of the pupils took to it like ducks to water - it was proper phonetics - we had the same reading books as other schools except ours were in ITA Come transfer to "normal" english (around Primary 3) it was all achieved smoothly Apparently children taught using ITA turn out better users of English. When it comes to reading/writing, state schools are at the whim of every teaching "revolution" and new fanglement that comes along - some applied without any thought going in to it - same with learning multiplication tables Sending your weans to private school, is indeed a last resort, personally if yer wean is bright enough they'll overcome - but private schools are less likely to become overly bothered about new fangled teaching methods, being a bit more traditional in outlook |
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Post by tiddles on Feb 13, 2012 20:02:18 GMT 1
I think the local school my son went to was simply not up to standard and it had a curious reporting structure. All parents see their kids are brighter than they really are but we were flabbergasted when our son couldn't handle even the most basic of stuff like simple counting and reading.
We also didn't think the little groups of tables were conducive to learning. The teacher, a real Rosie O'Donnell look alike, was to me out of her depth but she seemed to have an unaccountable influence over the head teacher.
We gave a fair try but when Primary 2 arrived and no discernible improvement was observed, something had to change. Strathclyde Regional Council were going through another one of their, "you can't choose where your kids will go to school, we will do it for you" phases so a school move was out of the question.
My wife at once stage considered home schooling but with a toddler to deal with it was not really an option. so, I swallowed my socialist principals and enrolled him in a private school and his bothers followed him. Things might have improved had we left him in the state school but we weren't prepared to take that risk.
Sammy you're right about private schools not being, "overly bothered" with new fads and this one is no exception but they always make sure that they keep up with technology and the teachers are of a very high standard. I was quite keen that not too much emphasis was placed on, 'games' and that sort of, 'public school' shite. Academic excellence is their main aim.
We shouldn't have to resort to the private sector for a good education in the same way as you shouldn't need to, 'go private' for medical treatment. A good state system should make the private sector irrelevant but we are a long way off that.
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