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Post by tiddles on Jan 24, 2012 21:25:35 GMT 1
inverclydenow.com/blogs/editor/5836-editors-blog-dont-shoot-the-messengerNow then, as we will have to rely mainly on Inverclyde Now's site for topics, I thought I'd have a wee look through what they have to offer. To my shame, I have avoided spending too much time on there mainly because it tends to be a bit amateur. However, I have been pleasantly surprised at the quite reasonable journalism that seems to, at this stage, be quite unbiased and largely fair. I decided to take a look at Burrow's own blog and despite it not being up to date, like most blogs, I found this fascinating little gem. Now I know we all discussed this story ad nauseam on the Tele forum but little did I know, there is a background story. From what I can gather, Inverclyde Now have or had a comments section that was, 'maxed-out' with adverse comments about the Clydeview Academy. The council of course were not best pleased and embarked on crusade to discredit the comments. They suggested that most of the anonymous comments were from one person. That might or might not have been the case but it is not a response. Were the comments valid? It matters little how many were from the same person if what they were saying was true. In the most telling thing in the whole story, Burrows tells us that he was the ONLY member of the press present at what was a major, local story. Why then, was the Tele not there? Well of course they didn't have to be, Loughran and old Wilson provided the Tele with the, 'authorised' version and that was that. No need for journalists or copy writers. All that had to happen was that the council's press release would be copied and pasted and hey presto, another Labour success story. When we heard that the Tele was going over to, 'pay per view' I thought at first that it was a move to make money, a daft move but a move nonetheless. However, having read Burrows' little tale I have reached the almost unbelievable conclusion that the whole thing..the WHOLE damned thing is a ploy to stop us commenting in ways that cause the Labour Party grief. Let's face it, as things stand, Labour is not best placed to secure a victory in the forthcoming elections. They will get gubbed. There is no guarantee that the SNP will take over all control, it is after all a PR based election. So, anything that can be done to limit the damage and save at least what passes for dignity in their camp has to be tried. As all of you know, I stopped posting just prior to Christmas. I grew tired of having my comments spiked and I was equally tired of reading mere gainsaying comments from people who basically had no real opinions other than those which their Labour Ubermeisters told them to have. This latest incident is quite curious too. Was it a message to us? Why would they allow the person with the highest number of comments to have sight of their incompetence? I dare say we'll never know and perhaps I am being a touch paranoid. Why me and not Rod or Sammy or Horn anyone else? I fear the Labour Party will have to learn the hard way that they don't have a monopoly over the internet and the dissemination of information and comment. Our wonderful little forum is doing well and will continue to grow as folk realise that they have nowhere but here to voice their opinions on local matters that concern them. Perhaps we might see some of the Labourites joining our midst. We will never treat them they way they treated us, we have a belief in truth realised by sound argument and discussion. Can I appeal to anyone who uses Twitter or Facebook to drop little hints about the incident yesterday. It will teach the Tele that they are not dealing with fools and it will hit them where it hurts, in the bank account. After all, it isn't just the comments that require an online payment, think of all the overseas subscriptions and calendar purchases. Would you trust them with YOUR card numbers? Once again Jock AND Linda...you have saved us all 
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Post by winston on Jan 24, 2012 23:52:06 GMT 1
Interesting reading Tiddles, which got me thinking.
Could it possibly be the case that rather than being a Labour rag the Tele is simply just staffed by lazy, incompetent fukwits who print whatever prepared story comes there way from the Council and MSP/MP Offices. In the case of this town it's because we have a Labour Council, Labour MSP and Labour MP that all we ever hear is Labour, Labour, Labour.
Perhaps a change come May will result in less Labour propaganda but only more A. N. Other Party propaganda prepared by the same Council Officers and printed in Tele by the same lazy incompetent fukwits.
Can anyone remember what shite the Tele was printing when the Lib Dumbs were lying to everyone and having their shot at fucking things up a few years ago?
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Post by myfindhorn on Jan 25, 2012 0:09:32 GMT 1
better still why not put the site on facebook lots of people I know who live abroad go onto the tele and how about having a advert page free to all
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Post by myfindhorn on Jan 25, 2012 0:13:36 GMT 1
posted on my facebook dunky and all
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Post by samfregreenock on Jan 25, 2012 0:40:27 GMT 1
Interesting reading Tiddles, which got me thinking. Could it possibly be the case that rather than being a Labour rag the Tele is simply just staffed by lazy, incompetent fukwits who print whatever prepared story comes there way from the Council and MSP/MP Offices. In the case of this town it's because we have a Labour Council, Labour MSP and Labour MP that all we ever hear is Labour, Labour, Labour. Perhaps a change come May will result in less Labour propaganda but only more A. N. Other Party propaganda prepared by the same Council Officers and printed in Tele by the same lazy incompetent fukwits. Can anyone remember what shite the Tele was printing when the Lib Dumbs were lying to everyone and having their shot at fucking things up a few years ago? Ah do remember Freddie Fletcher never being out of the Tele when he was provost back in the late 70s, early 80s. He was a liberal, when they were still called that, they were still shysters though. Last time around I remember Alan Blair was always pontificating via the Tele too To a certain extent I can handle the spouting of council PR pish as if it was true, what I can't stomach is that the Tele never ever hold them to account, or investigate anything that the council does, they just accept the council line on everything. Remember when the shit hit the fan over the future operating model fiasco, well the Tele done a piss-poor story on it, days after the Herald broke the story. I know for a fact that the Tele get some of their local stories from the daily rectum and other nationals, they then try and follow it up days later, making themselves look lthe complete imbeciles they are. Over a year ago, a person with the same surname as me was killed in a car crash, the Tele started phoning round everyone in the phone book looking for comments. The person was distantly related to us, I'd never mer her or her immediate family, they just kept asking me shite, ended up telling them were to go, learned later, they had also called my brother plus they door stepped him too - he told them to get tae. When it comes to journalism, they are just lazy fukkers, |
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Post by linda wallace on Jan 25, 2012 0:57:18 GMT 1
sam that is a terrible thing to think they are going out to get comments on someone that was killed........the tele WAS a good read many moons ago but its lazy reporting now seems to be the name of the game....
i remember when we were doing HELP FOR HEROES...we contacted the tele to see if they would come up to do a piece as a lot of people gave up their time to take part....their answer was "we dont have reporters at the weekend"...at one time reporters would work when ever to get a story but now they dont need to as they can always steal stories.
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Post by samfregreenock on Jan 25, 2012 8:55:41 GMT 1
sam that is a terrible thing to think they are going out to get comments on someone that was killed........the tele WAS a good read many moons ago but its lazy reporting now seems to be the name of the game.... i remember when we were doing HELP FOR HEROES...we contacted the tele to see if they would come up to do a piece as a lot of people gave up their time to take part....their answer was "we dont have reporters at the weekend"...at one time reporters would work when ever to get a story but now they dont need to as they can always steal stories. To a certain extent I can understand they have a job to do, but FFS, picking people out of a phone book who happen to have the same surname, even though it is a quite uncommon one |
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Post by tiddles on Jan 26, 2012 19:07:23 GMT 1
Interesting reading Tiddles, which got me thinking. Could it possibly be the case that rather than being a Labour rag the Tele is simply just staffed by lazy, incompetent fukwits who print whatever prepared story comes there way from the Council and MSP/MP Offices. In the case of this town it's because we have a Labour Council, Labour MSP and Labour MP that all we ever hear is Labour, Labour, Labour. Perhaps a change come May will result in less Labour propaganda but only more A. N. Other Party propaganda prepared by the same Council Officers and printed in Tele by the same lazy incompetent fukwits. Can anyone remember what shite the Tele was printing when the Lib Dumbs were lying to everyone and having their shot at fucking things up a few years ago? I well remember the days when the Tele was owned by the Erskine-Orrs who were rabid Liberals. Back then there was the same kind of nonsense with nothing but praise for the likes of Freddie Fletcher, who deserved none, and derision for everyone else. Mind you, their emphasis did change s,lightly when Labour was in power but not so you'd notice much. Old Lizzie Martin almost achieved sainthood status even though she was a hard core Labourite. I was told once that SNP notices for meetings were regularly, 'doctored' to mislead members. So, nothing really changes. I reckon the best days were when Ken Thomson was editor. Ken was a sound kind of guy who did try to be fair to everyone but that was back in days when the Tele was owned by Express Newspapers (before dirty Desmond). |
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Post by samfregreenock on Jan 26, 2012 20:44:25 GMT 1
Interesting reading Tiddles, which got me thinking. Could it possibly be the case that rather than being a Labour rag the Tele is simply just staffed by lazy, incompetent fukwits who print whatever prepared story comes there way from the Council and MSP/MP Offices. In the case of this town it's because we have a Labour Council, Labour MSP and Labour MP that all we ever hear is Labour, Labour, Labour. Perhaps a change come May will result in less Labour propaganda but only more A. N. Other Party propaganda prepared by the same Council Officers and printed in Tele by the same lazy incompetent fukwits. Can anyone remember what shite the Tele was printing when the Lib Dumbs were lying to everyone and having their shot at fucking things up a few years ago? I well remember the days when the Tele was owned by the Erskine-Orrs who were rabid Liberals. Back then there was the same kind of nonsense with nothing but praise for the likes of Freddie Fletcher, who deserved none, and derision for everyone else. Mind you, their emphasis did change s,lightly when Labour was in power but not so you'd notice much. Old Lizzie Martin almost achieved sainthood status even though she was a hard core Labourite. I was told once that SNP notices for meetings were regularly, 'doctored' to mislead members. So, nothing really changes. I reckon the best days were when Ken Thomson was editor. Ken was a sound kind of guy who did try to be fair to everyone but that was back in days when the Tele was owned by Express Newspapers (before dirty Desmond). They also thought the sun shone out of DICK (apt name) Mabon's arse as well. I was barred from putting adverts or hatches matches and despatches in the Tele years ago |
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Post by tiddles on Jan 26, 2012 22:12:33 GMT 1
Dickie Mabon was a shiftless, boring arse who loved the limelight and would do anything to take credit for other people's efforts. What did you do to get barred?  |
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Post by samfregreenock on Jan 26, 2012 23:13:25 GMT 1
Dickie Mabon was a shiftless, boring arse who loved the limelight and would do anything to take credit for other people's efforts. What did you do to get barred? 1982 - Falklands conflict, Tele were giving it big licks on the propaganda front, plenty of pish etc. We were sitting in work one day, day after Bergson was sunk. So we clubbed together to get one over on the Tele. I went down to Tele office and put the Belgrano in as a death notice. Said - Suddenly at sea Generali Belgrano, on this date, sadly missed by all who knew him blah blah blah Cost £6, girl at counter asked me if he was well known in area (Arf) I said yes, very well known actually. Anyways we waited with baited breath on next days 13.00 Tele - it wasn't in it. Went back down to Tele office to complain, told girl at counter, she went in back, all I heard was " that's him in now, the Belgrano guy" Manager came out and got all snooty and self- righteous with me. He told me as the country was at war he couldnt print it. I told him country was not at war, there had been no declaration announced whatsoever. He started giving me this patriotic pish. Then I asked him can you stick it in as a half colum advert? He said No as they didn't accept political adverts, I called him a liar, he said he wasn't, But it was day before local elections and Tele was full of Vote Labour, Vote Liberal adverts, I pointed out the irony of that, telling him to stick his pish paper up his erse, took our £6 and left, whilst he's giving it, you're barred traitor 6/7 years later, during first comet festival, we were watching float parade outside Port station, we were going to Cowal Games. The Tele float came along, a lassie I knew was on it, she's shouting at top of her voice, that's him, that's the Belgrano guy Step forward anther few years to @1991/2 a pal worked in the advertising section, he had been told of me too, and under no circumstances was I allowed to put adverts in |
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Post by linda wallace on Jan 26, 2012 23:29:02 GMT 1
oh sam....good on you.....you could always dress up as a woman and go in and put an advert in.....they wouldnt recognise you..hahahah
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Post by tiddles on Jan 26, 2012 23:29:28 GMT 1
Arseholes! Mind you, they are so far up their own cavities nowadays, they'd never notice it. Irony is wasted on the half-witted. "Traitors" Well I was there and I believed then and believe now that sinking the ship was a serious mistake that cost many lives. A clapped out old ex-American cruiser was no match for anything we had there AND it was running for home. I hate these desk-bound patriots who offer opinions based on the shite fed to them by the Sun and the Daily Mail. "GOTCHA" ? By God they did get us!!!! |
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Post by samfregreenock on Jan 26, 2012 23:30:14 GMT 1
oh sam....good on you.....you could always dress up as a woman and go in and put an advert in.....they wouldnt recognise you..hahahah After a couple of new owners and a change of staff I seem to be ok now  |
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Post by tiddles on Jan 26, 2012 23:30:53 GMT 1
Na, I'll clipe on ye |
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Post by samfregreenock on Jan 26, 2012 23:49:53 GMT 1
Na, I'll clipe on ye I couldn't be that lucky..... |
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Post by tiddles on Jan 26, 2012 23:54:18 GMT 1
Wife and I often thought of putting in a birth notice from fictitious parents with the most ridiculous names we could dream up. From obscure medical terms to latin names for silly items. The only reason we didn't was because we didn't want to saddle some child with a stupid name......by the looks of things these days, our joke names were quite nice.
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