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Post by linda wallace on Jul 10, 2013 20:49:43 GMT 1
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Post by neartic on Jul 10, 2013 23:02:31 GMT 1
by the looks of him all he cares about is where his next meal is going to come if his fat gut is anything to go by
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 11, 2013 10:57:33 GMT 1
they get voted in by the people to work on their behalf.....if he doesnt want to do it GET OUT THE POSITION NOW....
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 11, 2013 18:00:36 GMT 1
by the looks of him all he cares about is where his next meal is going to come if his fat gut is anything to go by Think you'll find that he has serious health issues but don't let that stop you from spouting shite I take it having health issues never stops you from doing a job? |
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 11, 2013 18:31:48 GMT 1
if he has serious health issues that shouldnt stop him doing his surgeries....he is paid to do a job and if he doesnt want to do it or his health is stopping him then move over and let someone else do it.
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Post by jimwatson on Jul 12, 2013 0:30:50 GMT 1
There is a big misrepresentation of the functions of an elected Councillor. Firstly, it is not "a job" in the traditional sense of the phrase. It is a paid position for being the strategic direction behind what goes on at a council (please bear in mind I am talking theoretically about this and it in no way reflects on the practises of Inverclyde or any other council!). \it is about setting policy and direction for the officials based upon local needs, competing demands and limited resources. You dont need any qualifications for this position and you also have no statutory defined contract of employment - you are there to represent the people who elected you. How you go about that process is really up to you. Councillor surgeries are the bane of Councillors lifes. It is an opportunity to be harrassed and harangued for the job you are doing or not doing. Some Councillors feel that they are pointless, hardly anyone ever turns up and when they do their gripe or concern is not relevant to the powers of an elected member. others take the view that they do not ned to hold surgeries as they are already active within their communities and that people have ready access to them at any time of the day or night.
There is a requirement to attend a minimum number of meetings per year but other than that no real control over how an elected member operates.
However, in this particular case I suspect ulterior political forces are at work...
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 12, 2013 17:04:33 GMT 1
There is a big misrepresentation of the functions of an elected Councillor. Firstly, it is not "a job" in the traditional sense of the phrase. It is a paid position for being the strategic direction behind what goes on at a council (please bear in mind I am talking theoretically about this and it in no way reflects on the practises of Inverclyde or any other council!). \it is about setting policy and direction for the officials based upon local needs, competing demands and limited resources. You dont need any qualifications for this position and you also have no statutory defined contract of employment - you are there to represent the people who elected you. How you go about that process is really up to you. Councillor surgeries are the bane of Councillors lifes. It is an opportunity to be harrassed and harangued for the job you are doing or not doing. Some Councillors feel that they are pointless, hardly anyone ever turns up and when they do their gripe or concern is not relevant to the powers of an elected member. others take the view that they do not ned to hold surgeries as they are already active within their communities and that people have ready access to them at any time of the day or night. There is a requirement to attend a minimum number of meetings per year but other than that no real control over how an elected member operates. However, in this particular case I suspect ulterior political forces are at work...Shirley not, not in our non-partisan Tele |
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Post by jimwatson on Jul 12, 2013 17:35:08 GMT 1
There is a big misrepresentation of the functions of an elected Councillor. Firstly, it is not "a job" in the traditional sense of the phrase. It is a paid position for being the strategic direction behind what goes on at a council (please bear in mind I am talking theoretically about this and it in no way reflects on the practises of Inverclyde or any other council!). \it is about setting policy and direction for the officials based upon local needs, competing demands and limited resources. You dont need any qualifications for this position and you also have no statutory defined contract of employment - you are there to represent the people who elected you. How you go about that process is really up to you. Councillor surgeries are the bane of Councillors lifes. It is an opportunity to be harrassed and harangued for the job you are doing or not doing. Some Councillors feel that they are pointless, hardly anyone ever turns up and when they do their gripe or concern is not relevant to the powers of an elected member. others take the view that they do not ned to hold surgeries as they are already active within their communities and that people have ready access to them at any time of the day or night. There is a requirement to attend a minimum number of meetings per year but other than that no real control over how an elected member operates. However, in this particular case I suspect ulterior political forces are at work...Shirley not, not in our non-partisan Tele Hard as it may be to believe, that is exactly what I am accusing the Tele of doing...and dont call me Shirley!!! |
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 12, 2013 18:15:08 GMT 1
how can they represent the people that put them into power if they dont meet with those same people.....i know from a few years back that we had to phone our counsellor and no matter how many times we did that we couldnt get a hold of him......if you left a message it wasnt answered....so the only way you can get them is by surgeries.....i know that you can phone the council buildings but you have to rely on them being in and most of the time they arent
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 12, 2013 19:15:10 GMT 1
Shirley not, not in our non-partisan Tele Hard as it may be to believe, that is exactly what I am accusing the Tele of doing...and dont call me Shirley!!! Shite, another god-like image crushed............... |
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 12, 2013 21:18:25 GMT 1
oh goodness so jim looks like god now......lol.....
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Post by neartic on Jul 12, 2013 21:58:45 GMT 1
sam i drove a truck long distance with ms for long enough and that was loading it too, if he has serious health problems then get to fuck out of the job if you cant do it i had to
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Post by neartic on Jul 12, 2013 22:06:40 GMT 1
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 12, 2013 23:33:30 GMT 1
i quite agree with that post above....they talk about people that are suffering and look what they have been doing....i would get rid of the lot of them
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 13, 2013 8:33:02 GMT 1
sam i drove a truck long distance with ms for long enough and that was loading it too, if he has serious health problems then get to fuck out of the job if you cant do it i had to see jim's post above - it's not a job in the traditional sense do you believe everything you read in the Tele, especially how it's spun? Do you have any evidence to show that he didn't respond to requests from constituents whatsoever? Do you have any evidence to show that he is being ineffective as a coonsilur? Well, instead about bumpin' yer gums, it may be an idea to find out what the REAL story is Our erstwhile MP rentboy mckenzie never held a surgery, don't hear the tele spoutin' pish about that - I wonder why |
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Post by neartic on Jul 13, 2013 11:39:37 GMT 1
firstly i dont read the tele secondly i dont bump my gums, do you have any evidence except what other people write if you get paid to do something its a job, the only thing i bump is assholes heads
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Post by neartic on Jul 13, 2013 11:57:36 GMT 1
McKenzie knows if he held a surgery he would probably get lynched
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 13, 2013 12:38:50 GMT 1
flamin mckenzie does nothing for this town so your right neartic, he would get linched.....when we complained to him regards ATOS and the lack of recording equipment for those daft medicals....ATOS said they only had 2 and one wasnt working and we wanted it brought up in the questions in the house his answer to that was "if i get a chance i might bring it up"........MIGHT!!!!!! what a load of shit....he is there for his constituants not for himself...
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Post by neartic on Jul 13, 2013 13:36:12 GMT 1
when he see`s me in the town he does a quick turn around, because he knows i cant stand the sight of him and his friend that little poisoned dwarf mc neil, they dont come near my door now they know if they do their feet would not touch the deck till they hit the street with their faces.
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 13, 2013 20:59:20 GMT 1
McKenzie knows if he held a surgery he would probably get lynched Rent boy, as a coonsilur never held a surgery, a he w always available to constituents, he said. |
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 13, 2013 21:06:39 GMT 1
firstly i dont read the tele secondly i dont bump my gums, do you have any evidence except what other people write if you get paid to do something its a job, the only thing i bump is assholes heads If you don't read the Tele, how do you know about this then? I found out for myself that he's been unwell, he was even n well during his lat tenure as a coonsilur too But a you no doubt know, some illnesses come and go, one minute your laid up, the next your apparently fine. Go read up on what the augment for being a coonsilur s for and how they work it out, it's not a job in the traditional sense of the word. Do you think the pittance they get paid, for the amount of hours it takes is worth it? If you think it's a job, then please provide what their working hours are, remember that the working time directive can be invoked if its a real job, then given that they should get at least minimum wage, does this match up with hours worked.? |
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Post by neartic on Jul 13, 2013 21:15:31 GMT 1
because i read the first post on here
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 13, 2013 21:40:13 GMT 1
because i read the first post on here Which contained a link to the Tele, which according to you, you don't read, now looking Ahmet that post, there's nothing in it ( outside of the Tele web link) to say who or what it's about If you don't read the Tele, are you psychic then? |
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Post by neartic on Jul 13, 2013 21:46:56 GMT 1
i dont care if he got voted in or or walked into the job gets paid a pittance or nothing if he cant do the job get to fuck out of it and let some one who can do it
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Post by neartic on Jul 13, 2013 21:52:07 GMT 1
you dont need to be psychic to read between the lines and i was not reading the tele i was reading some thing linda put on, thats why she put it on
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 13, 2013 22:53:37 GMT 1
i am sorry but i have no time for any counsellors..a friend of mine that was a counsellor loved the junkets that he went on, he had his trips to brussels ect and all the power he felt he had, but i'll tell you this, when he lost his seat he met me in the town and could hardly talk to me....he was on his way to the job centre.....
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Post by Wee Jock on Jul 13, 2013 23:05:28 GMT 1
Being a councillor is not a job in the strictest sense of the word, okay if we take Jim's definition as gospel and okay I'll accept that. Now looking at that same definition councillors are there to provide a service to their community, which means they are being paid for services rendered. YES?
Now if I pay for a service, I expect to have easy access to, and be able to question the person providing that service in order to ensure that the service is what I want.
If a councillor is not prepared to meet with the people paying for his services, then I'm sorry to say I'd ditch him sooner rather than later.
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Post by samfregreenock on Jul 14, 2013 9:15:22 GMT 1
Being a councillor is not a job in the strictest sense of the word, okay if we take Jim's definition as gospel and okay I'll accept that. Now looking at that same definition councillors are there to provide a service to their community, which means they are being paid for services rendered. YES? Now if I pay for a service, I expect to have easy access to, and be able to question the person providing that service in order to ensure that the service is what I want. If a councillor is not prepared to meet with the people paying for his services, then I'm sorry to say I'd ditch him sooner rather than later. Indeed but if you read the article, nowhere does it says he isn't prepared to or indeed refuses to meet people or have any contact with any constituent whatsoever - it only mentions surgeries In fact the coonsilur does say that he is contactable and does so. - The tele or even some people posting here would be better set if they asked coonsilurs - how many times do you get called at home, emailed, stopped in the street, door-stepped, assailed at private or family functions I'm sure some of those aren't part of the "job" description either |
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Post by myfindhorn on Jul 30, 2013 19:49:58 GMT 1
Oh! for the days when Councillors were paid only expenses and did the job for the love and interest in their home town. I wonder how many would do it now for the same payment as the old ones. Remember the volunteers they are the ones who do it for the love and interests of their town, they are the important people , not the council.
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Post by linda wallace on Jul 30, 2013 20:11:24 GMT 1
i agree
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