Post by tiddles on May 22, 2013 15:36:06 GMT 1
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When daft people went out and voted for this piece of shit, they did so in the belief that he was a Labour man with good Socialist ideals who would look after their interests in parliament and elsewhere. They were wrong and they were lied to. This man apart from his all too obvious deficiencies is not all he appears to be for behind the carefully tailored Slater suit lurks a sly and creepy, hypocritical, religious zealot.
That's not what you said last time, you said you voted against the bill because you had been, 'overwhelmed' by letters etc., from people whose religious beliefs were being ignored and defiled. So, which one is right?
Pish, when you stood as a Labour candidate and sat as a councillor and leader of the council, you were WELL aware of your party's policy on gay marriage. If you had reservations about this issue, you should have stood back and perhaps joined Fatty Wilson in the Tory party. And, are we now expected to be governed by emails, Facebook and Twitter? God help is if we are.
Well clearly you didn't scrutinise the bill carefully enough because Cameron has been astonishingly clear about this when he said that NO church would be compelled to perform same sex marriages. Were you too busy trying to find out who your landlord was or were you in the expenses office trying to make sense of your travel costs? When people voted for you, did you tell them that every decision you made on voting would be referred to your cronies amongst the loonies in the so-called, 'Christian Community', no I bet you didn't. How many people attend Inverclyde's churches? Quite simply a tiny minority and amongst them how many hold your illiberal and unconscionable views? This is a secular state so why should our legislature have to take cognisance of cherry picked garbage from a doubtful, ancient document that has been buggered about with for thousands of years?
Utter crap, you said NOTHING and your pet journal, the Tele obligingly did not and does not print anything controversial you might say. Who gives a flying fuck what the, 'religious communities' have to say? They don't represent anyone other than themselves, you however are meant to represent ALL your constituents irrespective of you and your fundamentalist chums. You purport to honour the name and memory of St David Cairns yet your wicked actions have simply spat on his grave or have you forgotten that Cairns was gay and in a long-term, 'marriage' with another man? And if these same nutters you love so much said that the Bible teaches that you cannot wear two different types of cloth, eat pork and shellfish and must SHUN your wife if she is menstruating, would you support that view? I doubt it even though the Bible and the Book of Leviticus is VERY clear on these matters. Oh and what about, "Thou shalt not bear false witness"? Does, 100 jobs in 100 days ring any bells?
Are you suggesting, are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that you base your voting on stuff from Twitter? Jesus man, get a grip of yourself. Twitter is crammed to the sky with Twitter trolls..or for you, people who use multiple accounts. People on this board have left messages for you on Twitter, do you take note of what they say or do their views not accord with you religious mania? What have humanists got to do with it? Get a grip, it's because of people like you that the number of humanist funeral services are being conducted. Most people don't want your evil-minded bilge. And, "nothing trumps faith", what shit you do talk. Who's faith? What faith? Well you odious streak of hypocrisy, I have faith, I have total and absolute faith in years to come you will be judged as the worst most heinous and venial MP the Inverclyde area has ever seen.
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Your boys are obviously not affected by your weird and inhumane views and that fact is to THEIR credit and NOT yours. Who the hell cares what your old mother and father think? Is Inverclyde to be governed by the views of reactionary old pensioners? They gave you life and it appears from what you say, they taught you malicious bigotry. Their views to me are as worthless as the tears of Judas.
You say that you had a change of heart on this issue, was it a Road to Damascus conversion or was it simply that you were summoned to the Whips Office and given your orders. Perhaps Mrs Curran, your boss gave you one of her raucous and strident lectures about not rocking the party boat? Dear God, you cannot even tell the truth about this either. If I were the Millipede I'd make you stay firmly on the back benches until the people of Inverclyde throw you out on your arse. Remember, in 2015 you'll have a much younger electorate who won't stomach your religious mania and you ineffectual style. Perhaps the McCorleone's will have a wee job for you, greasing the axles of their buses. Perhaps you find a job as a, 'Procurement Specialist' somewhere, after all, there's always a wee job going for a paper-shuffling, shit-house clerk!!!!!!!!!!
I loath and despise you.
Oh and Greenock Telegraph, why was this shit not reported in your joke publication? I think we can all guess, can't you broxiboy?
When daft people went out and voted for this piece of shit, they did so in the belief that he was a Labour man with good Socialist ideals who would look after their interests in parliament and elsewhere. They were wrong and they were lied to. This man apart from his all too obvious deficiencies is not all he appears to be for behind the carefully tailored Slater suit lurks a sly and creepy, hypocritical, religious zealot.
On Second Reading, I was in a minority among Labour Members in voting against the Bill. I voted against it not because I did not want to see equality, but because, as some saw it, people’s faith and beliefs were being challenged. Again, today, I acknowledge the need to respect people’s faiths and beliefs, but I feel that that should extend to humanist beliefs and that humanists should have the option of a humanist marriage ceremony.
That's not what you said last time, you said you voted against the bill because you had been, 'overwhelmed' by letters etc., from people whose religious beliefs were being ignored and defiled. So, which one is right?
Given the volume of correspondence I received in the lead-up to Second Reading, I would say that this Bill is the most controversial I have been involved in since entering the House in 2011. When it was presented on Second Reading, I was made very aware of my constituents’ concerns, and like many Members I was inundated by e-mails, letters and phone calls in which people overwhelmingly expressed their fear that their beliefs, faith and religious freedoms were being challenged. I have not received that level of correspondence over today’s new clauses.
Pish, when you stood as a Labour candidate and sat as a councillor and leader of the council, you were WELL aware of your party's policy on gay marriage. If you had reservations about this issue, you should have stood back and perhaps joined Fatty Wilson in the Tory party. And, are we now expected to be governed by emails, Facebook and Twitter? God help is if we are.
As a result of the number of inquiries I received, I took time to scrutinise the Bill, and I found cause for concern. The religious communities felt vulnerable and at risk of having their faith and their freedom to practise their faith threatened by the Bill. The Churches felt that they would be legally bound to carry out same-sex ceremonies, even to the point of being threatened with legal proceedings if they refused. It would not have been fair to place the Churches in such a position, so I concluded on Second Reading that I could not support the Bill. I voted against it not because I was not committed to equality—I most certainly am—but because I did not want the religious communities put in that position. It was not an easy decision to take.
Well clearly you didn't scrutinise the bill carefully enough because Cameron has been astonishingly clear about this when he said that NO church would be compelled to perform same sex marriages. Were you too busy trying to find out who your landlord was or were you in the expenses office trying to make sense of your travel costs? When people voted for you, did you tell them that every decision you made on voting would be referred to your cronies amongst the loonies in the so-called, 'Christian Community', no I bet you didn't. How many people attend Inverclyde's churches? Quite simply a tiny minority and amongst them how many hold your illiberal and unconscionable views? This is a secular state so why should our legislature have to take cognisance of cherry picked garbage from a doubtful, ancient document that has been buggered about with for thousands of years?
I kept my constituents up to speed as the Bill progressed through Committee, and to date the response to the changes made and the reassurances given to the Churches in Scotland has been nothing but positive. The opt-in gives religious communities the assurance that their faiths will be respected and that they will have the right not to conduct same-sex marriages if it is against the teachings of their Church.
Utter crap, you said NOTHING and your pet journal, the Tele obligingly did not and does not print anything controversial you might say. Who gives a flying fuck what the, 'religious communities' have to say? They don't represent anyone other than themselves, you however are meant to represent ALL your constituents irrespective of you and your fundamentalist chums. You purport to honour the name and memory of St David Cairns yet your wicked actions have simply spat on his grave or have you forgotten that Cairns was gay and in a long-term, 'marriage' with another man? And if these same nutters you love so much said that the Bible teaches that you cannot wear two different types of cloth, eat pork and shellfish and must SHUN your wife if she is menstruating, would you support that view? I doubt it even though the Bible and the Book of Leviticus is VERY clear on these matters. Oh and what about, "Thou shalt not bear false witness"? Does, 100 jobs in 100 days ring any bells?
I have been contacted by some via the wonder that is Twitter. One person wrote that we should vote for the Bill because fairness trumped faith. I have to tell that person and the House that nothing trumps faith, but I will support the Bill, as amended, through Parliament because respect, understanding and equality must be delivered for all, including humanists seeking the right to a humanist marriage ceremony.
Are you suggesting, are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that you base your voting on stuff from Twitter? Jesus man, get a grip of yourself. Twitter is crammed to the sky with Twitter trolls..or for you, people who use multiple accounts. People on this board have left messages for you on Twitter, do you take note of what they say or do their views not accord with you religious mania? What have humanists got to do with it? Get a grip, it's because of people like you that the number of humanist funeral services are being conducted. Most people don't want your evil-minded bilge. And, "nothing trumps faith", what shit you do talk. Who's faith? What faith? Well you odious streak of hypocrisy, I have faith, I have total and absolute faith in years to come you will be judged as the worst most heinous and venial MP the Inverclyde area has ever seen.
I have seen the Bill divide generations over their understanding and acceptance of this issue. I concede that it will not be the case with every family, but I have two sons who cannot understand why this equality has not been introduced before. They ask, “Why? Why has Parliament not addressed this before?” My parents, who have been married for 55 years, also ask, “Why? Why is this changing now?”, and they are worried. They wonder if it will change or adversely reflect on their own long marriage. I tell them that it will not and that in the months and years ahead people will be asking why we did not introduce this equality before. In time, they will be reassured that the Bill will strengthen, not weaken, marriage.
Your boys are obviously not affected by your weird and inhumane views and that fact is to THEIR credit and NOT yours. Who the hell cares what your old mother and father think? Is Inverclyde to be governed by the views of reactionary old pensioners? They gave you life and it appears from what you say, they taught you malicious bigotry. Their views to me are as worthless as the tears of Judas.
You say that you had a change of heart on this issue, was it a Road to Damascus conversion or was it simply that you were summoned to the Whips Office and given your orders. Perhaps Mrs Curran, your boss gave you one of her raucous and strident lectures about not rocking the party boat? Dear God, you cannot even tell the truth about this either. If I were the Millipede I'd make you stay firmly on the back benches until the people of Inverclyde throw you out on your arse. Remember, in 2015 you'll have a much younger electorate who won't stomach your religious mania and you ineffectual style. Perhaps the McCorleone's will have a wee job for you, greasing the axles of their buses. Perhaps you find a job as a, 'Procurement Specialist' somewhere, after all, there's always a wee job going for a paper-shuffling, shit-house clerk!!!!!!!!!!
I loath and despise you.
Oh and Greenock Telegraph, why was this shit not reported in your joke publication? I think we can all guess, can't you broxiboy?
? The laws that still discriminate against Catholics are unworthy of any democracy. I had hopes that Prince William would come out as gay and marry a black, Catholic navvy but as usual, the House of Saxe Coburg Gotha never do what you want them to.