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Post by linda wallace on Jan 29, 2012 22:27:32 GMT 1
from the greenock telegraph
hospital bosses are under fire after warning candidates for a nursing job at IRH to expect "aggressive behaviour" from irate surgeons.
.statement was contained within an official job description for a £17.000 a year post as a theatre clinical support worker.
health bosses have apologised and removed the offending material-but they have today been blasted by medics and unions over the statement.
retired heart surgeon ian morrice said the document was insulting while union official raymond o'donoghue branded it as disgusting.
a spokesman for NHS greater glasgow and clyde said, "these documents were put on the NHS scotland vacancies website in error and have been removed, they will be re posted in the correct format
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Post by tiddles on Jan 29, 2012 23:15:49 GMT 1
J J Morrice a heart surgeon?  ?? Not in my lifetime and his behaviour in theatre left a great deal to be desired. |
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Post by linda wallace on Jan 30, 2012 2:27:23 GMT 1
there was more to the story but i just stuck to the important bits....so the tele cant say we are poaching
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Post by tiddles on Jan 30, 2012 13:46:37 GMT 1
did they actually describe him as a, 'heart surgeon' ?? |
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Post by rod2mc on Jan 30, 2012 15:48:37 GMT 1
Raymond O' Doughnut can GTF
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Post by tiddles on Jan 30, 2012 16:15:26 GMT 1
Morrice was best mates with Norman Godman and O'Doughnut appears to be borderline simple. Excellent combination.
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Post by linda wallace on Jan 30, 2012 22:27:22 GMT 1
yes it did tidds........here is the story..well the bits i didnt put in.
mr morris 67 from kilmacolm says it suggests a caricature of a surgeon that simply isn't true.
he said "you are under pressure to perform and to expect excellence from the people around you, but to use the words aggressive behaviour is completely wrong.
its like portraying a caricature of the surgeon which james robertson justice plays in the carry on films.
there would be criticism if staff are not performing properly, but the idea of surgeons throwing instruments around is long gone, if it ever happened at all. the team of surgeons worked harmoniously.
dr tom fyfe, a retired cardiologist also slammed the statements made in the job descriptor. the former medic said he had never heard anything like it during his 30 yrs carer.
the e-southern general heart expert who is now a councillor said "surgeons in general do have a reputation for being irritable but i don't think this is appropriate for a job descriptor
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Post by winston on Jan 31, 2012 14:00:46 GMT 1
Tom Fyfe certainly has a reputation for being irritable, perhaps that's why he prefers not to have any contact with his constituents.
Sorry, did i say irritable? I meant irritating.
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Post by tiddles on Jan 31, 2012 14:10:29 GMT 1
Whilst I agree with Tom Fyfe that the, "job descriptor" is off the wall, he needs to get real and remember what it was like in an operating theatre working with a prima donna surgeon. IRH has had MORE than it's fair share of, 'drama queens' who delighted in humiliating staff and patients alike. Sad thing is, VERY few of them back their behaviour up with real skill and medical knowledge. Thankfully, most of the bully boys have gone and the new generation has a much more professional attitude to the job. AND many of them were fighting, 'above their weight'. Arrogance is a dangerous thing in medicine which can and DID have serious consequences.
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Post by cloakedandhidden on Jan 31, 2012 14:23:39 GMT 1
I've met a few surgeons over the years (my dad used to work in a hospital and was good pals with some of them) - whilst this might be an "out of date" impression, some of them WERE like Sir Lancelot Spratt! Didn't have the beard, I'll admit, but aside from that...
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Post by tiddles on Jan 31, 2012 14:25:36 GMT 1
Yes but Spratt was portrayed a a great surgeon!
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Post by Wee Jock on Jan 31, 2012 20:45:26 GMT 1
Knew a few surgeons in my time, most were good, some were sufficient some adequate and others right pricks.
One in particular took over 2 hrs to do a simple appendectomy, no matter how many times the appendix was shown to him he dismissed it and pulled more gut out, 3/4 of the way through there was more gut o the outside of the patient than inside.
On Cas one night the Duty MO was the anaesthetist, the UDR brought in one of their lads in severe pain back injury, rather than get xrays etc, the anaesthetist proceeds to give him IV Diazepam, once sufficiently desensitised, he discharged him home.
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Post by tiddles on Jan 31, 2012 20:49:43 GMT 1
I could relate quite a few FACTS about goings on at IRH but many of the participants are very much with us. I bet when the diazepam wore off, the screams could be heard from miles around. Perhaps the MO didn't like the UDR? ?? |
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Post by Wee Jock on Jan 31, 2012 20:57:00 GMT 1
He wanted to get back to the mess party.
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Post by tiddles on Jan 31, 2012 21:19:40 GMT 1
What was wrong with the soldier's back?
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Post by Wee Jock on Jan 31, 2012 22:22:26 GMT 1
He wracked it jumping out of a moving landrover, but thanks to the MO we never got a definitive answer as to what damage he actually did to himself.
Being UDR he would have went to his own GP outside duty hours, so nothing would come back to us from there, unless he died of course.
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Post by tiddles on Jan 31, 2012 22:29:38 GMT 1
Worry not, ATOS will make sure he is not, 'sponging'
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Post by linda wallace on Jan 31, 2012 22:34:03 GMT 1
our daughter got word that she doesnt need to go for any more bloody medicals till 2016 WHoopeee, we phoned the DLA folks and they told us that did mention that this would happen unless, the government decided anyone on sickness or DLA and of working age has to go for a medical...
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Post by myfindhorn on Feb 2, 2012 16:50:05 GMT 1
Thats great Linda.
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Post by myfindhorn on Feb 2, 2012 16:51:47 GMT 1
Dr Anthony comes to mind and Tamoxifen , how that man can sleep at night
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Post by tiddles on Feb 2, 2012 17:08:58 GMT 1
Yes, I have often wondered that myself and what beggars belief is that people actually saw him a private patient when they had a choice !!!!!
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Post by myfindhorn on Feb 2, 2012 17:57:46 GMT 1
When I would find out that a woman was going in to hospital and Anthony was the doctor I would advise they got another..........................so many people I know have suffered under his hands and it amazes me that IRH allowed it and paid up so many times
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Post by tiddles on Feb 2, 2012 18:25:48 GMT 1
I stopped making referrals to him twenty odd years ago and I walk past him now.
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Post by rod2mc on Feb 2, 2012 18:31:23 GMT 1
just out of interest Tiddles, do you ever watch the program Scrubs? i always imagine surgeons in that light now
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Post by Wee Jock on Feb 2, 2012 18:34:39 GMT 1
That smug bastard Terhani comes to my mind, his suspension came to late to save my dad, thanks to Normand Godman the matter was raised in parliament.
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Post by linda wallace on Feb 2, 2012 18:34:40 GMT 1
i know that name dr anthony....what was he again???
my mum had cancer and was put on Tamoxifen instead of any other therapy...it was only after she died that i heard that this drug wasnt good for anyone over i think 60yrs as it could cause secondary cancer, she had her breast off...its funny, the woman next door who had the same cancer was given the same treatment and she died just shortly after my mum.....i always wonder what would have happened if she was given the other treatment..
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Post by tiddles on Feb 2, 2012 18:34:54 GMT 1
I have only watched it once but it doesn't strike a chord with me. The one that reflected life in a surgical team best was a thing called, 'Surgical Spirit' with a crazy female consultant who bullied everyone. Very funny and in most cases, quite true. 'Green Wing' had its moments too!!!!
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Post by myfindhorn on Feb 2, 2012 19:03:32 GMT 1
Linda .........I think I was the only woman in Scotland that was put on it for breast pain....for 6 years may I add and it was'nt passed for that either, so here I am the longest survivor of Tamoxifen .
Anthony got rid of the evidence, can still see that man looking at me after surgery and him saying..................by the way your womb was perfect............however it made me more aware that I had choices and it was time to take more control of what I was putting in my body.
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Post by tiddles on Feb 2, 2012 19:05:02 GMT 1
I could write a book about him
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Post by myfindhorn on Feb 2, 2012 20:13:12 GMT 1
tiddles I am sure he would love that, I have a few friends who could write a book about how they survive day by day with the results of his work.
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