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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 14:21:08 GMT 1
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Post by tiddles on Mar 22, 2013 14:57:48 GMT 1
Hi there Dancer, good to hear from you and we hope we'll see many more posts! As you'll see, we are a mixed bunch with some strong views but there is little in the way of censorship unless it is called for legally. Don't worry about offending anyone, we all have thick skins!!!!
Yes, let's hope that we will see a breakthrough soon although it's early days and we mustn't jump to conclusions. I'm afraid the Doyle family have had to endure suffering on a mammoth scale yet they did so with dignity and forbearance.
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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 15:11:59 GMT 1
Hi tiddles, thanks for that welcome. In this article in The Scotsman it says the man has been charged with the murder. m.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/elaine-doyle-murder-appeal-sees-man-arrrested-1-2852734 That a bit more than the other news outlets are saying. Not sure if it's right. Edit to add this quote for clarity, it definitely says he has been charged. That's fast if it's the case. "A spokeswoman for the force said: “We can confirm, around 5.50am, following a police operation in Trafalgar Street, Greenock, a man is currently detained in police custody in connection with the investigation into the death of Elaine Doyle.” A statement from the Crown Office this afternoon confirmed that a 48 year-old man has been arrested and charged in connection with the murder." Another Edit to correct myself, it says charged "in connection" with the murder. Not sure if that's just legalese or it means he has been charged with murder. |
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Post by jimwatson on Mar 22, 2013 15:23:31 GMT 1
Hello Dancer and I would like to echo that old pachyderms comments and warmly welcome you to our small community.
From what I recall about the case, the police had DNA evidence but no-one to match it to. The most recent stuff also involved 6 people who lived in Australia...a bit far from Trafalgar Street. Like Tidds says, too early to be jmping to conlcusions...lets hope the police have the right person and that they are brought to justice, even after all this time.
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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 15:32:36 GMT 1
Thank Jim, I totally agree. It's been a long road for her family. Can't imagine what they've been through and although this is a welcome development, it's only ever going to be a small comfort. I remember reading about the DNA and seeing the crimewatch reconstruction and the thing about the police looking for six people of interest in Australia. It's unpleasant to think he could have been living in Greenock the whole time, if this person turns out to be her killer.
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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 15:43:45 GMT 1
I'm sorry for posting so many times in quick succession, but the story on the Scotmans website has changed, the quote I copied above has been modified and no longer says he has been charged. Sorry folks. It's important as Jim and Tiddles have said not to jump the gun, and I was jumping it a bit by believing what I read on a news website. Apologies for that.
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Post by jimwatson on Mar 22, 2013 16:19:02 GMT 1
Dancer, posting in quick succession is positively encouraged on here!
You will learn once you get to the cynical stage that the Scotsman does not distribute news but propoganda...I would not trust them buggers to get the date right never mind anything else!
The police have 12 hours to release or charge the individual. A senior officer can extend this to 24 hours. We should know more about this soon...
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Post by samfregreenock on Mar 22, 2013 16:45:07 GMT 1
Hi Dancer - would it be ok to call you YA?
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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 17:02:14 GMT 1
Hi Sam, you can call me whatever you fancy, I don't get offended easily. That said I don't know what YA means.
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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 17:15:30 GMT 1
Jim, I didn't know that about The Scotsman, I assumed they were reasonably competent and reputable. Thanks for the info on the legal status. It says he was arrested at 5:50 this morning. Presumably that means the initial 12hours runs out shortly.
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Post by samfregreenock on Mar 22, 2013 17:48:15 GMT 1
Hi Sam, you can call me whatever you fancy, I don't get offended easily. That said I don't know what YA means. From the coloqueallizum saying YA DANCER |
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Post by tiddles on Mar 22, 2013 17:55:40 GMT 1
I would be posting in very quick succession but for the fact that the bloody power keeps going off!!! And those bastard whirlygigs at Whitelee are spinning around in the wind and doing us no good at all. We have an auld generator that she who must be obeyed and I have been footering with all afternoon to no avail...so it'll be the logs on the fires and storm lamps! It wid be so romantic if ah wisnae sae auld and done!  |
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Post by samfregreenock on Mar 22, 2013 17:57:19 GMT 1
I would be posting in very quick succession but for the fact that the bloody power keeps going off!!! And those bastard whirlygigs at Whitelee are spinning around in the wind and doing us no good at all. We have an auld generator that she who must be obeyed and I have been footering with all afternoon to no avail...so it'll be the logs on the fires and storm lamps! It wid be so romantic if ah wisnae sae auld and done! Did you get the auld jenny free wae yer new hoose? Or is jenny yer mam's name and you have her in a big hamster's wheel |
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Post by jimwatson on Mar 22, 2013 17:58:53 GMT 1
Dancer - it states that he was detained at 5 this morning - as yet they have not charged this individual. A senior officer can extend this period to 24 hours if circumstances warrant it. After this detention, as per Section 14 of the Criminal Procedures (Scotland) Act 1995, they have to charge the person or let them go...
A person cannot be detained for the same crime twice although they can be charged and arrested at a later date...
As for the Scotsman, it is important to generate a healthy distrust of most media sources, they all have an agenda which is all right if you agree with their particular agenda but infuriating when you don't! No prizes for guessing where I think the Scotsman's agenda is...
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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 18:05:48 GMT 1
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Post by tiddles on Mar 22, 2013 18:09:11 GMT 1
It came with the house sammy. It's a huge thing and lives in one of the many wee outhouses we have. I'm going to get the mannie from the garage in the village to see what he can do to get it going because we have had this nonsense with the power since the start of the winter. Mind you, it'll probably drink diesel like nothing on earth. It has a huge starting handle that is a bit difficult to turn but if the mechanic says it's serviceable, I'll get a Constavolt automatic switch for it so that it will come on as soon as the power goes off.
Re the Scotsman, they are an appalling outfit and always have been since the days of old Roy Thomson. You used to be able to rely on the Herald but it is so politically skewed it's not worth reading.
I usually depend upon Sammy and Dromedary Watson for my news!
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Post by dancer on Mar 22, 2013 18:18:16 GMT 1
Hi Sam, you can call me whatever you fancy, I don't get offended easily. That said I don't know what YA means. From the coloqueallizum saying YA DANCER Brilliant.  I've spent the last couple of hours trying to work that out Sammy. SlowOnTheUptake might be a better username for me. |
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Post by neartic on Mar 22, 2013 20:50:21 GMT 1
tids do you know what make of engine it is most diesels that are hand cranked have decompression levers for each cylinder once you have got it cranked to a decent speed you throw the levers to start
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Post by tiddles on Mar 22, 2013 22:04:59 GMT 1
it says, 'Petter' on it
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Post by tiddles on Mar 22, 2013 22:20:53 GMT 1
It's very old, pre-war by the look of it or maybe just after. This house used to be a farm and the man at the Eaglesham Garage said it was in use up to around ten years ago because he used to bring up the diesel oil for it. He is sending a mechanic up tomorrow morning. If it's fixable, I'll get him to do it but I spoke to one of neighbouring farmers who uses our field to graze his cows and he says that modern generators are much better and a good one can be had for a few grand and they are very economical and only switch on when the power does off.
My mother has been running about all day in a panic because she is baking cakes for some church thing and the oven kept going off.
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Post by samfregreenock on Mar 22, 2013 23:58:42 GMT 1
It's very old, pre-war by the look of it or maybe just after. This house used to be a farm and the man at the Eaglesham Garage said it was in use up to around ten years ago because he used to bring up the diesel oil for it. He is sending a mechanic up tomorrow morning. If it's fixable, I'll get him to do it but I spoke to one of neighbouring farmers who uses our field to graze his cows and he says that modern generators are much better and a good one can be had for a few grand and they are very economical and only switch on when the power does off. My mother has been running about all day in a panic because she is baking cakes for some church thing and the oven kept going off. Indeed tidds, I've been toying with a cheap Jenny idea maself, connected to the hoose, automatically switching on and aff as required, down to cost though as we only get a couple of outages a year. Modern Jenny's are a lot cheaper and quieter too, let me know how it goes It's much de riguer in the IT world in the data centres I move, but a buckshee Jenny is the size of a shipping container, think someone would notice |
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Post by neartic on Mar 23, 2013 1:22:15 GMT 1
tidds leave it with me the generator you need is a self starter otherwise it has a starter motor your old one has not, my nephew used to have a few i will see what he has, some of the old petter engines as well as running a generator if it has a large flywheel was used to run farm machenery as well because they were long stroke so had great torque
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Post by linda wallace on Mar 23, 2013 3:07:50 GMT 1
nice to see you on here dancer.....post anything that you find interesting not matter what it is....it doesnt need to be news, it can be anything....as tidds says we dont come down heavy on anyone unless its a legal issue...we are all friends here....
i do hope that the person the police have is the right one and the family can then close this chapter in their lives......
polly and i were out tonight at the police club with member's of our club.....a good night and a good laugh.........both of us came home sober.....dont need a drink to have a good time...lol
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Post by bigbro on Mar 23, 2013 15:23:44 GMT 1
Lets hope this brings closure to the whole thing. This family have suffered an incredible trauma, twice. Of course, the man stupidly named by a national newspaper today may well be innocent. Lets remember it is innocent until proven otherwise. Glad to have joined the forum.
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Post by linda wallace on Mar 23, 2013 15:36:25 GMT 1
what paper named the person.....surely that is illegal till it has been proven that he is guilty of the crime....
bigbro sometimes the board is quiet then at other's it can be quite busy....if you find anything that you feel you would like to share and it doesnt need to be news please share it....WELCOME
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Post by tiddles on Mar 23, 2013 15:49:23 GMT 1
Here we go again, bloody typical. There is no way this guy will get a fair trial in Scotland now.
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Post by tiddles on Mar 23, 2013 15:50:09 GMT 1
Oh and a hearty welcome to you bigbro....keep on posting!
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Post by bigbro on Mar 23, 2013 16:27:16 GMT 1
Many thanks for the warm welcome. By the looks of the Tele Facebook page, the chance of a fair trial is not existent. Public hanging, maybe!
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Post by tiddles on Mar 23, 2013 16:57:29 GMT 1
When Elaine was murdered the town buzzed with evil rumours that I would not repeat, God knows what we'll hear now. I suppose it's too much to hope that the Tele will behave responsibly.
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Post by linda wallace on Mar 23, 2013 18:07:09 GMT 1
tidds....the tele behave...now come on....
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I've spent the last couple of hours trying to work that out Sammy. SlowOnTheUptake might be a better username for me.
